tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8242563674302521905.post222130964374430057..comments2023-03-26T09:04:44.946+01:00Comments on It's a Rough Trade, Politics: Honour killings in IraqUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8242563674302521905.post-32999692889265270762008-04-28T15:56:00.000+01:002008-04-28T15:56:00.000+01:00In 'fairness' to the Americans, most of them were ...In 'fairness' to the Americans, most of them were pretty callously indifferent about the situation and well aware that Britain was just tagging along with the big kid in the playground (so no need to pay any heed to the views of the British). The start of one US planning meeting apparently began 'we don't owe the Iraqis anything, they should just be grateful if we get rid of Saddam'. <BR/><BR/>That said, the US Generals asked for several hundred thousand more troops than they got; the Rumsfeld/Cheney lot just wasn't interested. <BR/><BR/>In Britain, meanwhile, Clare Short had denounced the war - but hung on to her salary I mean principles and cabinet post anyway. But she was virtually on strike, and it was her dept (international dvlpment) which should have been at the forefront of planning for the war. <BR/><BR/>Thus Ms Short's little fit of pique may have cost a lot more than her own credibility ...<BR/><BR/>(Later, of course, she decided she'd had enough of Labour and became independent - without troubling the electorate with a byelection to see if they still wanted her ...)<BR/><BR/>At least Robin Cook, not a man I otherwise admire, had the courage of his convictions in that instance.Political Umpirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05025804183639479675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8242563674302521905.post-68929565274988112882008-04-28T15:26:00.000+01:002008-04-28T15:26:00.000+01:00The fate of the enterprise was effectively sealed ...The fate of the enterprise was effectively sealed by the fact that planning for post-war Iraq started about 13 weeks before the event (in contrast for the planning for the war itself, which had been going on since 1991, and was conducted with stunning efficiency accordingly), whereas in WWII it began in 1942 - three and a half years before the fall of Nazi Germany. Also it was undertaken by the defence dept, which had no experience or expertise in such things, as opposed to the state dept., which had 13 substantial volumes on Iraq. <BR/><BR/>Moreover, aspects of the infrastructure were needlessly targeted - the phone exchange, for example, and mundane administrative buildings - when such simply wasn't necessary as the Iraqi army had no chance in the field however strong the state remained. <BR/><BR/>Net result: complete chaos on the ground the day after Saddam fell. <BR/><BR/>To put it bluntly, only a harsher version of the old British colonial model would have worked - round up all police and army the day after, double their pay and shoot any deserters. Find local trouble makers like Al Sadr and hang him in the town square. Then make it worth the while of the local chiefs - Sheiks in Iraq's case - to be loyal to you, and let them run the place. <BR/><BR/>All very unpleasant and politically unacceptable, but there were two options: leave Saddam in place as our useful idiot in the region, or take over as above to ensure that the place is stable and our nice cheap oil keeps flowing, as well as the Iranians et al getting the message. As dreadful and immoral as that might have been, it would have been better than what we actually got.Political Umpirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05025804183639479675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8242563674302521905.post-58089692165647474122008-04-28T14:38:00.000+01:002008-04-28T14:38:00.000+01:00I can't help but agree PU. The politicians who car...I can't help but agree PU. The politicians who carried us into the war not only failed to consider the consequences, but rejected the pleading of the many who foresaw precisely the situation we now find ourselves in.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15464069586293077271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8242563674302521905.post-49188466702080458762008-04-28T13:24:00.000+01:002008-04-28T13:24:00.000+01:00Which is why, as was conveniently forgotten, Sadda...Which is why, as was conveniently forgotten, Saddam Hussein was an ally of the West for so long. He still was, if anyone had bothered admitting it. Islamic extremists had no place in Saddam's Iraq. His regime was brutal - but geared towards him staying in power. He would never have tolerated Islamic extremists, because they would have threatened his power base. Now he is gone and the new central gvt's writ does not run in significant chunks of the country, the clerics have taken over and if anything everyone is worse off.Political Umpirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05025804183639479675noreply@blogger.com